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Ray Webster Australia (Verified User) Posts 380 Dogs 72 / Races 27 20 Feb 2024 02:56
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In an article in The Greyhound Recorder detailing the gold standards that GRNSW are striving to achieve for the industry, it is mentioned that the GBOTA are to proceed with a centre of greyhound racing/training excellance at Orange. It also states that the Orange project will be financed withe sale of the Appin property which the GBOTA own. I've yet to hear this proposal being put to members at our local branch meeting. Surely such a mammoth decision would have to be put to the members for discusiion.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 20 Feb 2024 03:04
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Ray Webster wrote:
In an article in The Greyhound Recorder detailing the gold standards that GRNSW are striving to achieve for the industry, it is mentioned that the GBOTA are to proceed with a centre of greyhound racing/training excellance at Orange. It also states that the Orange project will be financed withe sale of the Appin property which the GBOTA own. I've yet to hear this proposal being put to members at our local branch meeting. Surely such a mammoth decision would have to be put to the members for discusiion.
Exactly Ray, no mention of the sale of Appin last Sunday at the Liverpool Branch of the GBOTA
It will be an interesting Metro meeting on Wednesday night at Potts Park
Brandon Field Australia (Verified User) Posts 3 Dogs 0 / Races 0 20 Feb 2024 03:29
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Appin being sold must be rejected at all costs. There will be no facilities for hobby trainers around that area to slip their dogs before putting on a track.
Paul Ballantine Australia (Verified User) Posts 284 Dogs 10 / Races 8 20 Feb 2024 07:13
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A lot of trainers start their pups there before breaking on the circle. We have Richmond but it does not compare to Appin. Appin is the best fitness track we have around.
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Feb 2024 08:09
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The time has come to sell Appin you have to think of trainers in the west they drive miles to trial and race for the sake of a few trainers in the appin area you people will have to use richmond they will have to put on a extra day and when and if Goulburn straight goes ahead that will be another straight to use you trainers will have to be like me and others that drive one and a half hours to use appin .PS think of others .
Paul Ballantine Australia (Verified User) Posts 284 Dogs 10 / Races 8 20 Feb 2024 09:23
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Mark Wilcox wrote:
The time has come to sell Appin you have to think of trainers in the west they drive miles to trial and race for the sake of a few trainers in the appin area you people will have to use richmond they will have to put on a extra day and when and if Goulburn straight goes ahead that will be another straight to use you trainers will have to be like me and others that drive one and a half hours to use appin .PS think of others .
Try getting a trial at Richmond if Appin closes. Good luck
Tony Atkins Australia (Verified User) Posts 62 Dogs 3 / Races 0 20 Feb 2024 23:05
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What a p poor excuse to sell Appin, Participants in many areas besides the orange area travel many hours for their greyhounds. I am out of training greyhounds just recently, one of the major factors was the amount of travel involved (by choice I refused to race at the locals and in pursuit of facilities that suited myself and our animals I travelled over 4 hours to the gardens to race and trial and more than 6 hours to wenty). The total lack of consultation and transparence shown to the participants and members of the G.B.O.T.A. in this instance and many other matters is in my view totally unprofessional and ignorant of the true function of the original G.B.O.T.A structure. I am all for the new Centre at orange to go forward but to rob Peter to pay Paul is not on. To sell the Muswell brook racetrack and put the funds into a house in northern territory was wrong also in my opinion. VERY POOR SITUATION TO PROTECT THE MEMBERS OF THE G.B.O.T.A
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 21 Feb 2024 02:11
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Ray Webster wrote:
In an article in The Greyhound Recorder detailing the gold standards that GRNSW are striving to achieve for the industry, it is mentioned that the GBOTA are to proceed with a centre of greyhound racing/training excellance at Orange. It also states that the Orange project will be financed withe sale of the Appin property which the GBOTA own. I've yet to hear this proposal being put to members at our local branch meeting. Surely such a mammoth decision would have to be put to the members for discusiion.
Based on my past experience as a GBOTA Branch Delegate members won't have any say in it !
Just like they had no say when the GBOTA moved from Harold Park to Wentworth Park !
IMO a centre of excellence in South West or Western Sydney would be a much better option !
The NSW Greyhound Industry and it's participants should have 3 centres of excellence North, South, and West !
Mark Latham Australia (Verified User) Posts 160 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Feb 2024 09:39
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Tony Atkins wrote:
What a p poor excuse to sell Appin, Participants in many areas besides the orange area travel many hours for their greyhounds. I am out of training greyhounds just recently, one of the major factors was the amount of travel involved (by choice I refused to race at the locals and in pursuit of facilities that suited myself and our animals I travelled over 4 hours to the gardens to race and trial and more than 6 hours to wenty). The total lack of consultation and transparence shown to the participants and members of the G.B.O.T.A. in this instance and many other matters is in my view totally unprofessional and ignorant of the true function of the original G.B.O.T.A structure. I am all for the new Centre at orange to go forward but to rob Peter to pay Paul is not on. To sell the Muswell brook racetrack and put the funds into a house in northern territory was wrong also in my opinion. VERY POOR SITUATION TO PROTECT THE MEMBERS OF THE G.B.O.T.A
We all just add to the rumour mill.
So Far Cawdor getting a new track, Hunter Valley getting another track, a rehoming facility on the South Coast, Potts Park being renovated into Wenty 2.0, Wenty lease extention, GBOTA broke desperate to sell appin for Orange Casino being turned into a 2 turn track...
Last week GRV was closing Sandown and Meadows and the end of 2 turn racing in VIC Why not wait for some consultation or offical announcement before going off and just adding to the rumour mill
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 21 Feb 2024 19:23
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Appin hasn't been used for racing for decades.
What would it be currently making in trial fees per week? Is the facility being used for any other activities?
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 21 Feb 2024 21:11
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In the last year they have poured money into it , renewed all Machenics and lure system and catching pen area
They break even with costs to run and man it .
If they were to run meetings out of it if fixed to the app track of excellence level ?? Whatever that is lol .. it would be the best straight track racing programme in aust and never be short of noms and it would make Richmonds look like a circus that it is .with race stats per injury results .
Hence I laugh at the track of excellence myth .. Ill give u a tip track engineers !! There should not be any straight built that is level to the catching pen !
The pen should always be on a rise as it helps with slowing the chaser down and making it 500 times easier on their legs and all joints and toes ! You know !.the best welfare for our dogs ????
Aint rocket science , I guess you need to have trialed a dog to see it first hand and understand the severity of a 70 klm dog pulling up with no assisted resistance.
Will this advice and proven formula be used at Goulburn ? Nah .we dont need it , we are from the 21st century ! We know better now then what you guys built 50 year ago !
Top example Richmond
Appin is the only proper built straight track in Aust that actually conforms and represents a TRACK of EXCELLENCE
Lets sell it ! Lol
As Gai Waterhouse said on selling industry properties yesterday ! NEVER SELL it under any circumstance
It is the fabric of what and who we are , once u sell it , its not only the land that is gone
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 22 Feb 2024 00:07
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Its not the up hill that pulls them up a top straight tracker will chase threw the back wall the dog must no what he is getting at the end of the race what is needed is a long catching pen from the winning post not like richmond the new straight at goulburn will have that just like the old wyong .
Greg Russell Australia (Verified User) Posts 107 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Feb 2024 00:53
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Have always thought that catching pen design is straight out of the original 1930s with no change. Eight dogs going flat out into a short funneled opening is just asking for trouble. But yeh lets just keep doing the same shit. Corner/bend starts, steel rails small radius bends the list goes on......
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 22 Feb 2024 02:11
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Mark Wilcox wrote:
Its not the up hill that pulls them up a top straight tracker will chase threw the back wall the dog must no what he is getting at the end of the race what is needed is a long catching pen from the winning post not like richmond the new straight at goulburn will have that just like the old wyong .
Going up a steep rise into a catching pen doesnt slow em up hey , ok mark , I didnt realise every dog up a straight was a top champion straight tracker ?
Dont tell me what I watched for 5 years every week isnt the correct evaluation on the difference from a level straight to a hard incline straight with a triple rise at the end of it .
The lure even goes out of site due to end rise and 80% lift their heads up and change stride once this occurs
What are you watching ??
Surely your aware Appins catching pen if anything is smaller then Richmonds catching pen at best the same !
Why is everyones chasers up Appin not pulling up with bung wrists or toes and or cracked hocks?
Same length catching pen Mark !
Tony Atkins Australia (Verified User) Posts 62 Dogs 3 / Races 0 22 Feb 2024 04:25
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I speak from experience, being an ex-board member of the G.B.O.T.A and still in a position of very good information...LACK OF TRANSPRENCY IS NOT ON.
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 22 Feb 2024 06:22
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Nathan i no a little bit about straight racing i have done a little bit over the years as a matter of a fact i was at the first meeting at APPIN in 1976 but i never scene you there as for all those injuries you have been getting at Richmond have you ever thought it might be that silly lure that gets flung in the catching pen and all the dogs jump on each other a mate of mines dog got caught up in it and was injured he said he would not ever go back as for what have i been watching, i have raced a lot of top straight track dogs over the years and can assure you a long catching pen is the go but i am not going to argue with you because you seem to no everything
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 22 Feb 2024 10:38
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Mark Wilcox wrote:
Nathan i no a little bit about straight racing i have done a little bit over the years as a matter of a fact i was at the first meeting at APPIN in 1976 but i never scene you there as for all those injuries you have been getting at Richmond have you ever thought it might be that silly lure that gets flung in the catching pen and all the dogs jump on each other a mate of mines dog got caught up in it and was injured he said he would not ever go back as for what have i been watching, i have raced a lot of top straight track dogs over the years and can assure you a long catching pen is the go but i am not going to argue with you because you seem to no everything
Mark ,
Firstly to shut the whole bull crap down , Ive never said a longer pen would not help ? Its a no brainer ! 10 mtr pull up box compared to a 50 mtr ! Commonsense isnt it !
You came on here saying I was wrong !
Secondly all the injuries Im referring to are from the GRP training locals mate ! Check me records , I havent raced up the straight after looking at one meeting ! Not for me or my dogs thanks . Havent raced on the 2 turn track either since its become a track of excellence. Lol phuk me ..
Ill never race there again mate , why , I know what Im looking at and both are a disaster and come no where near the so called excellence they throw around .
Thirdly all Ive said is running up a hill like Appin has been designed it is more beneficial as apposed to a flat track as the hill creates constant resistance!
If you want to disagree with my assessment due to 5% of champion striaght trackers hitting the back wall , when Im clearly talking for the other 95% standard chasers ??? Disagree away
Just know your not only going against my opinion but the really obvious one is there is a thing called law of physics.. and it aint called Wilcoxs law and its been around well before your first trial at Appin bud .
Seriously if you cant see both an up hill incline with a massive spacious catching pen is whats required then racing another 100 years more then anyone else isnt going to make your theory any closer to the correct evaluation.
Point was its the best designed track in aust , whatever happens , its a shame it never stayed the same when it was in its hey day .
Cheers
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 22 Feb 2024 18:20
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Good luck in the future Nathan where ever you race but i dont think there is a track that will suit you all the best .
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 22 Feb 2024 22:25
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Mark Wilcox wrote:
Good luck in the future Nathan where ever you race but i dont think there is a track that will suit you all the best .
Plenty Mark ,
Gosford , Maitland , Gardens and good old redhead straight serves its purpose mate !
Appin is supreme and it aint due to a long catching pen , Richmond was supreme and my favourite track , what a fall from grace and probably one of the biggest cock ups seen in todays standards and app learnt knowledge?
Ps. I hope with all the new standards and visions about to occur nsw wide it includes more then a hot pie to eat at Richmond after some driving more then 3 hours to get there and hook up with some potential new participants in the game .
Wow ! Excellence???
Richmond will never be the city track , it doesnt operate like one and doesnt feel very cityish does it .
It had its opportunity if it was done to perfection under the right management, for what ever reasons , and there are alot of them , it missed the target .
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3237 Dogs 6 / Races 0 23 Feb 2024 19:39
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Appin will be sold!
I feel for you down there. We had a perfectly good track in Wauchope, but it is now only a trial track.
Since 2016 / 2017 the authorities, gov't and their cohorts have managed to close down tracks. Some trainers are now travelling further to race, but how long will that last? It's just another way to reduce the numbers by natural attrition.
I agree with some comments about Richmond. Last night I saw some races on video. I was surprised how far past the boxes the lure was before the boxes opened.
We are likely to be out of WP by 2027 so Richmond is the likely venue to race in the city. We will see if it gets a make-over between now and then.
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