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Paul Dicks
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10 Feb 2024 06:23


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As breeders we are as much to blame as anybody. We got so focused on speed speed speed. We forgot about strength and chase. The smarties who did, are reaping the benefits now.

As far as speedy squibs go. They are easy to train. You don't have to work them as much. You get $80 just to turn up and the occasional placing or win prize money is gravy.


Michael Fitzgerald
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10 Feb 2024 07:39


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Who the phukk is Caesar Costa?




Mark William Claxton
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10 Feb 2024 09:13


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Operated Tooradin Trial Track for a long period of time. Very smart man, with a dog. All the "many" newbies, wouldn't have a clue.


Simon Moore
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Nathan Trigg wrote:

Robynne Black wrote:

Geoff Collins wrote:

Who knows how good the dogs are. Most of them aren't chasing. Just about the worst I've ever seen it

Sorry to jump in here but this is something I'm wondering about. I constantly see 18 month old pups available because they are not chasing , also many dogs that do race are getting tickets.
Is it the current bloodlines ? Rearing ? Or Educating ?

Would I be out of line in saying maybe our governing bodies could look at supplying a sheep/roo skin that is branded or demarcated of some sort that is identifiable and could be available to break in establishments.
Break in operators are probably more informed to answer if this could be of assistance.




Sandro Bechini
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10 Feb 2024 20:37


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The work to get them to chase starts as soon as their eyes are open

The rearers have the greatest responsibility in this area but most are not focussed on getting your dogs to chase and develop that from a young age

It's time Code of Practice rules regarding education were enforced properly


Mark William Claxton
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Sandro, firstly "sincere congrats" on your win last night. Glad to see TZ giving her a let up. MOST trainers would've flogged her. I agree about starting the chase training from birth. But for $70 pw per pup, I dont expect George Zammit to do any work on them. Like most things in life, you only get what you pay for. Is why I go out to George's every Saturday & handle/tease my 5 pups.


Hayden Gilders
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mark william claxton wrote:

Operated Tooradin Trial Track for a long period of time. Very smart man, with a dog. All the "many" newbies, wouldn't have a clue.

I remember tooradin track all the good trainers including d mac used to freshen their dogs up there


Mark William Claxton
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11 Feb 2024 00:34


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Freshen them up,probably not the word! Lol


Mark Wilcox
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11 Feb 2024 04:18


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Rearing these days you should not get any change from 100 - 120 they might of reared some good dogs for 70 but i do not no how ,you would not make anything


Paul Ballantine
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Mark Wilcox wrote:

Rearing these days you should not get any change from 100 - 120 they might of reared some good dogs for 70 but i do not no how ,you would not make anything

70 a week is laughable if people think there getting any more than dogs getting feed wormed and let out and the food must be on the cheap side. I wouldnt rear for less than 150 if I was to rear.


Paul Dicks
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11 Feb 2024 09:07


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$10 a day seems incredibly cheap, in the current financial climate.


Mark Wilcox
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11 Feb 2024 18:12


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Mark Wilcox wrote:

Rearing these days you should not get any change from 100 - 120 they might of reared some good dogs for 70 but i do not no how ,you would make anything




Mark William Claxton
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I remember a story written about the guy who reared Bay Road Queen, in S.A. He use to hang a beef carcass up over a strong tree branch & the pups helped themselves. Pups were in "massive" paddocks. The guy reared some of "the best" in that era. As Reg Kay told me, you can feed them the best but they require heaps of galloping. Was his secret he told me. His results speak for themselves.




Nathan Bendeich
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Dont believe they had rehoming or laws back then either ?

Plenty have been done in backyards too .

$70 a week is unachievable in todays market , min $100 to get the right and best results to achieve a chaser with the right education and a clean bill of health , rearers should be on $125 due to more procedures required then ever before and the meat costs being double .

Ps . If your in a place at a cost for $50 - $70 , Ill bet my life quality of service is poor and they wont be eating the best of whats available out there !

Can have all the space you want , if they aint being fuelled right and serviced regularly, the biggest and best looking paddocks mean sweet f all !

Pss Theres a lot of things that need quick smart changing in our game , its strangling in its own rubbish and dribble from the worst grading pushing out slow pups way to young to uneven prize money across the board to not enough of a set up or avenues for rehoming , all of which is contributing to not the weakest racing in years ! But the least numbers or lack of depth in chasers and the same occurrence for persons in breeding and trainers want or need to even participate in the industry !

There will be no sport left in 3-5 years if the current Poeple in power keep going down this same travelled and failed road !

Who knows , maybe its what the goal has been the whole time ??

Closing tracks , crap bottom end prize money , grading that doesnt make sense , airfares to the US and a 2 year waiting gap programme ..

Is anyone even trying or thinking outside what theyve been hired or told to do !

Heres another idea from myself and others I speak to , make a grade 6 for dogs that are clearly a second on the clock slower but chase !

Cull the prize money at the top end , lets get real ! Its only going to effect 20 Poeple who already have their millions and could retire tomorrow!

Spread it to the lower grades who are struggling to eat and care for their greys on $300 country wins ???

Buy 1000 acre land plots and build greyhound organisations on the land that have 5 purposes on them as apposed to just rehoming !

1. Dog obedience courses , also run courses for Poeple interested in getting a qualification
2. Community service work for Poeple paying back to society as a rehabilitation service
3. Ex trauma service for law and gov personnel.
4. Kennel boarding for grey owners only .
5. GAP
6.Free work / charity , for the elderly looking to keep useful and involved in life !

These centres could run themselves and would be looked upon as a community plus !

What are we waiting for !

Oh the next plane flight or 2 year gap wait .the industry needs all 3 avenues running so none are at full tilt with waiting lists !

Queensland racing , Vic racing , Grnsw, gbota and gwic all need to join together and get on the same page for an all in solution , instead of the past segregation attitude, which has led us to a non self sufficient industry which it could well be with the right set up .

If we dont , the game is ticking fast to its end

We have all screamed these problems for years and yous have all had your go on your terms and conditions !

To say you have failed is an understatement ! The game is now on life support and no longer viable in anyway !


Michael Carter
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16 Feb 2024 07:46


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I am sure i wouldnt have played football if I wasnt allowed to kick it


Sandro Bechini
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16 Feb 2024 09:50


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You make too much sense Nathan



Grant Dunphy
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16 Feb 2024 18:58


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EXCELLANT POST NATHAN-
Wouldn't it be good & give us some sort of belief our administrators are really interested in something other than their pay cheque if one of the Directors or CEO's came out & recommended the likes of what you recommend.



Mark Latham
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17 Feb 2024 04:47


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Grant Dunphy wrote:

EXCELLANT POST NATHAN-
Wouldn't it be good & give us some sort of belief our administrators are really interested in something other than their pay cheque if one of the Directors or CEO's came out & recommended the likes of what you recommend.

Everything costs money and where do you start.
I see the CEO Rob Macauley at almost every feature race meeting across NSW, walking around for anyone to chat to him.
I have volunteered at rehoming days, there he is walking around with a greyhound trying to rehome a gap dog. He is the CEO he doesn't need to be doing this but he is.

I think NSW currently is sitting in a much better position than most other states. We are getting substantial track upgrades, the Orange Project, Taree is almost finished.

Yes we will see a drop in strong eras now that the breeding numbers are down but that just proves we are getting closer and closer to a sustainable number.
Rehoming at record highs
Injuries have dropped at tracks dramatically.

Most won't agree but I think we are going pretty bloody well in NSW.

Rehoming
Injury Reduction
Sustainability

should be the priorities to racing right now



Nathan Bendeich
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Grab any one of the problems i highlighted and have a go ??

Are you saying theres too many so dont start ?

Also highlighted where money needs to come from , or is spending what we are currently across the board mark ok with you ? Race money and wages on more and more jobs being created .

Track upgrades really ? So what happened to Richmond ! Wheres the Lithgow track promised last year , Goulburn 2 years ago !

Are you fair dinkum?

Those lovely scenes will create great pics for socials Id imagine mate , in the real world theres a reason why CEO or the boss man dont push the barrows , its called other things to do that are what you might call in his field of expertise to work on .

5% total injuries rate , probably need to halve that also , given all the app you beaut upgrades youve told me about .. should be no drama

I guess the rate cant get any worse I suppose as the promised tracks still arent even being started and the grading like it is most average dogs cant get runs !

Thanks for the up lifting rainbows and butterflies outlook , but Ill go off what the industries Poeple are saying in person thanks ! Or whats left of them

Ps . We are ranked 4th of the 5 states on prize money . And your telling me we are positioned well in comparison to others states ?

Do your research please , NSW is hopeless .


Geoff Collins
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18 Feb 2024 06:39


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Geoff Collins wrote:

Who knows how good the dogs are. Most of them aren't chasing. Just about the worst I've ever seen it

Along with rehoming ... failing to chase is currently our biggest problem - R1 Sale tonight
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