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Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Sep 2023 14:49
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Am not saying he's not a "good" dog. And yes "good" dogs bounce back. Am just stating the facts.
David Deguara United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 958 Dogs 81 / Races 93 16 Sep 2023 17:22
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Mark,
Thanks for your reply.
Now, I have no attachment to the dog, the trainer, the owner, nor the sire or dam, but after watching the replay I honestly can't see where the dog "bludged".
My interpretation/observation of the race is that he knuckled over at the start, giving away valuable ground; he then railed up on the first turn (got a clear run into the bend as Royal Gypsy checked and went wide), drove hard down the back on the outside of Aussie Rocks. Midway round the bottom turn he was still on the outside of Aussie Rocks, when Fred Rose tried to drive through the middle of him and Aussie Rocks; Fred Rose appears to check slightly of the heels of Aussie Rocks and in turn checks Postman Pat (causing him to lose momentum), with momentum lost, Aussie Rocks is off and gone; Postman Pat then rebalances and gets beaten 3.31 lengths running 30.07.
We are all entitled to our opinion, and I am not saying I am right or wrong, but to label the dog as "low as a cut snake" off that run seems somewhat harsh to me - again, we are all entitled to our opinion, but personally, off that run alone, I can't see it.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 16 Sep 2023 20:51
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The assumption is Postman Pat can do it from anywhere. But, most likely hes like 99% of dogs, they cant e.g Brett Lee, Flying Amy to name two champions. El Grand Senor, Koblenz another two examples. Its not in their make up. Theyre far too explosive a type of dog, to do it at both ends, to come from off the pace.
After Pat knuckled over and bombed the start, then used so much excursion to get in the position to challenge Aussie Rocks. There was every chance by that stage, his energy was spent and was left a sitting shot to capitulate. Aussie Rocks wasnt stopping winning in 29.82. Fred Rose couldnt grab him either.
Think its a little harsh to say hes a bludger. Far more credit to the winner in my book.
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 16 Sep 2023 22:05
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MARK I can not believe you could say that you do not know how the dog pulled up after that bad start and the buffering around the home turn ,what do they have to do win every start you clearly would have no idea.
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Sep 2023 22:45
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He had lengths on that field. Loomed up to the leader near the 600 boxes & wouldn't go past. As I said, not unlike a HOS. There is no doubting his ability obviously.
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Sep 2023 23:00
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Just watched the replay again. Yes stumbled at the start but got a dream rail's run into the first bend. Loomed up to the leader at the 700 boxes & had the whole back straight to go past. Yes, he got checked on the home bend but was because he wasn't putting in.
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Sep 2023 23:03
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In his defence, not much incentive for greyhounds these days. But is clearly sorting out the chaff from the wheat.
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Sep 2023 23:50
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Yes Darren, even though if say Brett Lee ran out of steam the last 50m I can guarantee that he "would have got straight past the leading dog" at the 700 boxes. Not run along side it. It's not the 1st time he has done it. I'll have to buy myself a set of rose coloured glasses! Lol.
Mark Latham Australia (Verified User) Posts 160 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Sep 2023 00:54
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Given he has gone 5.20 early when he would be very capable of breaking 5 to the first section. He had to work to get to the front, It is a FFA class race You simply can't make mistakes in this company.
Given he has gone 5.20 early when he would be very capable of breaking 5 to the first section. He had to work to get to the front, It is a FFA class race You simply can't make mistakes in this company.
To label him a cat is just wrong
100%, if he is a bludger, I will give up
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Sep 2023 01:32
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Watch the replay Sandro. Should have gone straight past the leading dog. Had whole back straight to do so. Yes, FFA class race but was NOT a group race. No surprise I hear that the breakers dont like HOS pups. In saying that, I would use HOS if I had a "mad chasing" bitch.
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Sep 2023 01:39
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I remember declaring a fast W.A dog named "Elvis" a nonie. Use to start easing not far past finishing post after winning by big margins. I got ridiculed for it. But what happened, he went for "failing to pursue!".
Watch the replay Sandro. Should have gone straight past the leading dog. Had whole back straight to do so. Yes, FFA class race but was NOT a group race. No surprise I hear that the breakers dont like HOS pups. In saying that, I would use HOS if I had a "mad chasing" bitch.
I haven't heard one breaker say that yet
It was a disappointing run, on face value as yes he got to the leader but couldn't get past it
All I can say is that they aren't machines
I would like to know if he pulled up with an injury/soreness as he stumbled as he came out and put in an awkward stride or two
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 17 Sep 2023 03:45
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mark william claxton wrote:
Yes Darren, even though if say Brett Lee ran out of steam the last 50m I can guarantee that he "would have got straight past the leading dog" at the 700 boxes. Not run along side it. It's not the 1st time he has done it. I'll have to buy myself a set of rose coloured glasses! Lol.
Mark,
The winner has run 29.65 at The Meadows. R/up G1 National Sprint and won the race last night in 29.82. Youre expecting Postman Pat to use all his energy up after missing the start to get into a competing position and then just finish over the top of a G1 class dog in front going efficiently through his gears.
Far too harsh an assessment of Postman Pat for mine.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Sep 2023 06:04
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Postman Pats last couple of starts have definitely been a little bit underwhelming considering the ability he possesses. But come MDC, Melbourne Cup, Phoenix I'm sure he'll be a massive player still
Dont understand why Poeple get so offended about someones interpretation is about a runner to the point where they feel they have to defend or dissect its results and accumulate a guessed theory to the same as the original interpretation?
Hes had gun draws last 3 and won 1 which was a 4th grade , before that the excuse was hes drawing wide and hard to cross .
Say it how it his , hes running patchy and at times 5-8 lengths off his peak ability ! If hes injured he aint running what hes doing in his first half split ? Simple , hes losing it coincidentally everytime coming into the home corner , no coincidence there ! Not a theory .. factual evidence
Not taking any side as its pointless , hell be back running time once again , but at present the wrap on him outdoes the clock and results , and yes there has been controversial results at breakin age of his sire , just like 90% of all current stud dogs
Who cares its not breaking news , do your research and work around it
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Sep 2023 09:47
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He is supposed to be 1 of the fastest dogs in Australia. Even after he bungled the start, he could have won that race "if he wanted to". His sire had the same traits. Yes the line can & does throw "fast" ones but as I've said my intel informs me most of the breakers don't like HOS pups.
Cyril John Anderson Australia (Verified User) Posts 281 Dogs 75 / Races 5 19 Sep 2023 11:04
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Gee when we want to be critical we love to be critical, in my 50 years involvement in dish lickers I have seen some great chasers, fast sprinters, fast 500m dogs, strong 500m dogs, fast stayers & strong stayers. Dogs suited to tight tracks like The Meadows, dogs suited to the the great run home of Sandown, dogs suited to the two turn tracks, dogs suited to Albion Park & dogs suited to the tight Wentworth Park. One thing I have never seen is a dog that is ideally suited to every type of track & every distance. Every dog I have seen has a preferred style of racing that is more suited to one type of track than another. I have never owned a dog with any above average ability in actual fact my best had below average ability but I tried to place my dogs, class of opposition, distance & type of track, to best suit their limited ability.
In my eyes this boy is not ideally suited to The Meadows but he still has run a 29.60 there, can he run it every start no he cant.
A hell of a dog who can run fast times on all tracks including the tracks that dont suit him.
Regardless of his trainer I am yet to see a dog peaked for & put in 110% every run.
This boy doesnt get to choose his track but what I have seen he gives 110% in 95% of his races against the best opposition.
I call that a champion dog any day of the week.
Will there be/ is there a better dog out there, well yes tomorrow is another day & another champion, but for today for me we have Postman Pat.
Anthony Lord Australia (Verified User) Posts 39 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Sep 2023 04:21
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his win record says it all to say hes a thief is ridiculous hes just like every young potential champ we wont know how good he is until hes well over 3yo if he makes it as a top liner he may be carrying a small injury or just trained off a bit with all the travelling but to say hes a thief or a bit of a cat or a nonny WANK WANK.
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