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You need the powers that be to glorify and promote the stayers with to get the bulk of the breeders to make the shift
They have started to do so with more prizemoney for 600m+ races but what there is needed is more structured programming of 0-3, 1-5 win races and the commitment to structure them with as little as 5 dog fields
To develop stayers you need to have the races available to give the trainers the choices to race and develop them
Whilst sprint races are glorified the breeders will want to sell pups and they will breed to where the money and the glory is
If more NSW breeders use Bekim Bale this may change...
Very true Brett, he seems to be generating a lot of stamina in the progeny
In saying that Turanza Bale got the 2 720m heat winners at Wentworth Park last night
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 07 Sep 2014 01:32
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Been saying it for years guys...
You need the powers that be to glorify and promote the stayers with to get the bulk of the breeders to make the shift
They have started to do so with more prizemoney for 600m+ races but what there is needed is more structured programming of 0-3, 1-5 win races and the commitment to structure them with as little as 5 dog fields
To develop stayers you need to have the races available to give the trainers the choices to race and develop them
Whilst sprint races are glorified the breeders will want to sell pups and they will breed to where the money and the glory is
Very true Sandro they need to promote these races and entice breeders to breed stayers.
We see it in Melbourne now you get a little more prize money for 6-700 races and they are promoting a lot of 600plus races with 1-6 wins with prize money of upto 5k plus Gobis. They also are promoting 0-3 wins over 600 plus with great prize money some races worth 3k plus for a single win not bad.
I know in vic we use to bred for speed with all our horse shoe tracks but we are starting to bred for strength and I think Bekim Bala is throwing a lot of goos stayers
In saying that Turanza Bale got the 2 720m heat winners at Wentworth Park last night
Unfortunately I'm flat out getting a Turanza straw...
Barry RICCIO Australia (Verified User) Posts 167 Dogs 60 / Races 11 07 Sep 2014 02:47
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Brett Margerison wrote:
If more NSW breeders use Bekim Bale this may change...
NSW want 400 metre dogs look who is the most used stud dog in NSW
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 07 Sep 2014 02:51
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Barry RICCIO wrote:
Brett Margerison wrote:
If more NSW breeders use Bekim Bale this may change...
NSW want 400 metre dogs look who is the most used stud dog in NSW
Barry we wanted the same in Vic but you can she the shift over the past few years. I think PAW bred for more strength and we followed.
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Sep 2014 03:02
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This is nothing new. Victoria has dominated staying ranks for quite a few years however I will say the depth has got even stronger with many Bekims working through the grades.
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Sep 2014 09:32
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Starc & Ruff Cut Diamond (unlucky tonight!) look another two promising Bekim stayers. Perhaps a few should head north of the border as they would win plenty in Sydney staying races.
Nick Graham Australia (Verified User) Posts 1099 Dogs 3 / Races 0 11 Sep 2014 15:01
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Robert Morris wrote:
Starc & Ruff Cut Diamond (unlucky tonight!) look another two promising Bekim stayers. Perhaps a few should head north of the border as they would win plenty in Sydney staying races.
the winner has a good race in him that's for sure, starting to put it all together and gets better every run both dogs are worth follow over the distance as they put a gap in the field in the first 250-300m. without interference the winner if not both dogs would of gone well under sub 42 for there first 700m runs and spaced the rest of the field
how long before every staying race is filled with bekim bales!
what are his figured like outside of victoria? I can't say I've seen to many racing in other states to the same degree as I have in victoria
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Sep 2014 10:16
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41.52 as predicted Ruff Cut Diamond is exceptional over the staying trip
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 03 Dec 2023 23:56
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Chris Carl wrote:
Wow.... I've never seen it worse
Considering you are flat out seeing a 700m race in the whole of NSW, a State that also happens to have the most tracks you have to commend Ray Smith on being able to travel Palawa King to Victoria and also for Ritza Piper to be based there for a month or so and taking out the 2 Group 1 staying races in Victoria over their Dreamchasers Festival
Victoria does a lot to promtote their staying breeds with several regional tracks having distances and races of 640m or more
We in NSW are totally deprived of any suitable racing to develop stayers the way they should be
Considering our dogs won 2 x Group 1 races in Victoria, how much better would our stayers be with enough racing opportunities to develop their talents
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 04 Dec 2023 00:29
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Sandro NSW is flat out running 440 - 565 races on the provincials let alone 600-700 races they went wrong when they made the 300 money equal to the other distances that has been adjusted now but it will take a bit of time to come good also with no 600 a w/park that definitely does not help .with the breeding dropping off we can only hope .
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 04 Dec 2023 03:21
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I was actually talking to someone the other day about this. Was waiting for a trial with 50-60 dogs in line majority absolutely losing the plot waiting their turn to have a run. Most dogs are purposely being kept a little bit fresh/on edge for a run over 300m because it's a minimum 3.5h drive for a race over further than 450m
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 04 Dec 2023 03:26
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There's most definitely a place for 300m races and I've had my share of dogs most suited to 300m, but there's zero incentive to try for further for a lot of participants. Travel 1-2h for a 300m race where if you get a bump and can come back to run a place or travel 4h both ways for a 500m race where one bump you're out to last and coming home with unplaced
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 04 Dec 2023 03:45
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Matt Griffiths wrote:
There's most definitely a place for 300m races and I've had my share of dogs most suited to 300m, but there's zero incentive to try for further for a lot of participants. Travel 1-2h for a 300m race where if you get a bump and can come back to run a place or travel 4h both ways for a 500m race where one bump you're out to last and coming home with unplaced
Who said there wasn't?
Anyway, its not about 300m racing , there is 70% of racing under 440m in NSW. there is plenty for the squibs to choose from
We are talking about staying races
In any case, local tracks in all regions should be seeking to bump up prizemoney for all races 500m and above to incentivise trainers to try their dogs over longer without having to travel 100's of miles
Michael Eberand Australia (Verified User) Posts 845 Dogs 3 / Races 0 04 Dec 2023 04:42
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Chris Carl wrote:
Wow.... I've never seen it worse
Considering you are flat out seeing a 700m race in the whole of NSW, a State that also happens to have the most tracks you have to commend Ray Smith on being able to travel Palawa King to Victoria and also for Ritza Piper to be based there for a month or so and taking out the 2 Group 1 staying races in Victoria over their Dreamchasers Festival
Victoria does a lot to promtote their staying breeds with several regional tracks having distances and races of 640m or more
We in NSW are totally deprived of any suitable racing to develop stayers the way they should be
Considering our dogs won 2 x Group 1 races in Victoria, how much better would our stayers be with enough racing opportunities to develop their talents
as does SA with heaps and heaps of provincial 600 and 700 m races including Gawler & Mt Gambier. They go down to 4 dogs if need be to ensure they race in the low grades and that then translates to Angle Park.
Also in QLD they regularly get the 600 - 700 m races up.