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Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 08 Jan 2021 10:00
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:
Fabregas ,chase and early.
The last litter we bred was a choice between Fabregas and Djays Octane. Talk about getting it completely wrong. Lol
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 08 Jan 2021 10:22
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Fabregas can throw a fast pup !!!!! Djays Octane his Aussie Broods will throw !!!!
Mick Whyte Australia (Verified User) Posts 1109 Dogs 23 / Races 3 09 Jan 2021 06:51
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You can't be anything but impressed with the chase Aston Dee Bee pups seem to be showing.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 13 Jan 2021 09:20
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Dixie ,What dog did you go to and what bitch.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 13 Jan 2021 19:06
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Mick Whyte wrote:
You can't be anything but impressed with the chase Aston Dee Bee pups seem to be showing.
I love Aston Dee Bee but I think it's starting to look like his pups chase like demons when they're out in front, but like most sires you don't see too many come from off the pace and win
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 14 Jan 2021 03:53
This was the result. Fastest dog we've bred, but also the lowest. I was hoping the refresh the line. In hindsight, we should have stuck with the locals.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 Jan 2021 22:03
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This subject came up in a different way some time back.
I have no expertise but surely the way to go forward is to install a system which lists every sires' Group winners and ordinary winners - cumulatively - as a percentage of total pups reaching the track.
This gives everyone a factual starting point - as it does for thoroughbreds.
It's the sort of thing that should be right down the alley of GA with access to form and the Stud Book.
In particular, this would bypass the current practice of rating sires and dams by points awarded in Group races only and for just the current year. That is misleading.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 14 Jan 2021 23:08
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Bruce Teague wrote:
This subject came up in a different way some time back.
I have no expertise but surely the way to go forward is to install a system which lists every sires' Group winners and ordinary winners - cumulatively - as a percentage of total pups reaching the track.
This gives everyone a factual starting point - as it does for thoroughbreds.
It's the sort of thing that should be right down the alley of GA with access to form and the Stud Book.
In particular, this would bypass the current practice of rating sires and dams by points awarded in Group races only and for just the current year. That is misleading.
Yeah I actually agree with you Bruce, should be simplified for ease to look up.
I think people would breed very different if you could look up for each sire in one place for each year * Number of matings * Litters born * Pups born * Pups named * Pups started * What distance pups are racing over * Number of tier 3/non tab starters * Number of tier 3/non tab winners * Number of tab starters * Number of tab winners * Number of city starters * Number of city winners * Number of group starters * Number of group winners
It can probably be all found, but not in one place
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 14 Jan 2021 23:48
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Matt James wrote:
Bruce Teague wrote:
This subject came up in a different way some time back.
I have no expertise but surely the way to go forward is to install a system which lists every sires' Group winners and ordinary winners - cumulatively - as a percentage of total pups reaching the track.
This gives everyone a factual starting point - as it does for thoroughbreds.
It's the sort of thing that should be right down the alley of GA with access to form and the Stud Book.
In particular, this would bypass the current practice of rating sires and dams by points awarded in Group races only and for just the current year. That is misleading.
Yeah I actually agree with you Bruce, should be simplified for ease to look up.
I think people would breed very different if you could look up for each sire in one place for each year * Number of matings * Litters born * Pups born * Pups named * Pups started * What distance pups are racing over * Number of tier 3/non tab starters * Number of tier 3/non tab winners * Number of tab starters * Number of tab winners * Number of city starters * Number of city winners * Number of group starters * Number of group winners
It can probably be all found, but not in one place
Should also be stats
- % of pups with Marring/FTC Charges to Starters as well
- % of Unnamed pups to pups born
- % of Non-Winners to Pups that have Raced
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 15 Jan 2021 01:53
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Barcia & Fernando Bale throw good chasing traits into their pups going by what I've noticed & results seem to back up my thoughts. But 70% of the time its the broodbitch's "quality" that will determine what the litter turns out like at the end of the day from our experiences. So only breeding from the best performed bitches gives the breeder a decent chance to produce pups that chase honestly all the time as every sire throws ordinary chasers from time to time & this is a fact proven since day 1. So breed only with honest chasing bitches with ability & hope the sire throws plenty of "himself" into the litter. Regards.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 17 Feb 2023 20:50
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I'll ask this age old question again. What are the current hard chase sires? A mate of mine has a very fast bitch who is a nonnie, she won't pass the leader. She is absolutely brilliant, having trialled sub 30 at Albion Park.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 17 Feb 2023 21:11
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Paul Dicks wrote:
I'll ask this age old question again. What are the current hard chase sires? A mate of mine has a very fast bitch who is a nonnie, she won't pass the leader. She is absolutely brilliant, having trialled sub 30 at Albion Park.
I believe the sire that I can see at the moment throwing pure chase is Bernardo
I don't have any pups of his, so really its only my observation, but they seem to get out oof the boxes in a hurry and be fearless to get to the lead, to me thats a good sign of hard chase
The Shima Shines I have seen so far seem to have no trouble wanting to get to the lead early either
Beast Unleashed & Ando's Mac pups also seem to have these positive traits
Then theres your old faithful like Aston Dee Bee, Magic Sprite, El Grand Senor etc
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 17 Feb 2023 21:11
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For what it's worth Dixie you did the right thing getting some outcross blood into a tired line, a bitch from that litter could throw a good pup.Always ify with a full blown outcross sire.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 17 Feb 2023 21:22
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
I'll ask this age old question again. What are the current hard chase sires? A mate of mine has a very fast bitch who is a nonnie, she won't pass the leader. She is absolutely brilliant, having trialled sub 30 at Albion Park.
I believe the sire that I can see at the moment throwing pure chase is Bernardo
I don't have any pups of his, so really its only my observation, but they seem to get out oof the boxes in a hurry and be fearless to get to the lead, to me thats a good sign of hard chase
The Shima Shines I have seen so far seem to have no trouble wanting to get to the lead early either
Beast Unleashed & Ando's Mac pups also seem to have these positive traits
Then theres your old faithful like Aston Dee Bee, Magic Sprite, El Grand Senor etc
A couple more worth mentioning would be Aussie Infrared and Ritza Lenny
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
