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Do you have questions about breeding theories?
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Michael Geraghty
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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Its a particular topic of interest to me as I have a bitch which is probably the fastest and strongest I have ever had but has got bad traits

Do I breed or not?

Depending on how bad the bad traits are, Sandro.

If you can isolate a line within her breeding (preferably on the damline) that can over-ride that bad trait and DUPLICATE it in her next mating, you then have given yourself the chance to capitalize on the next mating with a sire who also over-rides that bad trait.

It's only a theory of mine, but I'm doing it now and I'm either going to look like a genius or an idiot.

First mating.
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If there is a bitch in that litter who shows me ability, I will mate with her immediately without racing her in hope of bringing forward the desired litter.
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Big motors and strength are useless without CHASE and FOCUS.

Good luck. (to BOTH of us!)


Matt Griffiths
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27 Aug 2018 05:33


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Its a particular topic of interest to me as I have a bitch which is probably the fastest and strongest I have ever had but has got bad traits

Do I breed or not?

Leaving half a litter of pups unnamed is not good breeding practice, but the other half could end up freaks

Before 2015 we wouldn't worry about such issues too much, but now its a major part of the decision making process

All depends on what the bad traits are and how bad the traits were.
If she had 3 starts for 3 tickets and the whole litter had the exact same traits you would be reluctant to breed. Other than that you have to back your broodie if she was that good.

Most bad traits can be cancelled out pretty good with a decent sire and hands on rearing. Obviously some breeds can't be helped, but most can be.

But it's easy for me to say you should breed because you're the only one that loses out if the pups do turn out a bit iffy.




Sandro Bechini
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27 Aug 2018 07:12


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Matt

She has no tickets but goes missing occasionally when crowded up.



Mark Mihailovic
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27 Aug 2018 07:12


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You only have to look at Fabios pups wins thurs, Friday and Saturday nite in the CITY to find out the best sire producing chase with high class speed



Nathan Bendeich
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27 Aug 2018 07:48


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Mark Mihailovic wrote:

You only have to look at Fabios pups wins thurs, Friday and Saturday nite in the CITY to find out the best sire producing chase with high class speed

Or you could sit down for a couple of weeks and watch all fields at all tracks so you can see the pattern that emerges with his offspring across the board
They don't jump higher then 4th as well as other sires patterns also !
Don't twist my statement into something it's not ,to suit your in favour liking .
I am unbiased with all sires ! I just say it how it is .
He is a great sire and an industry essential . Doesn't mean you can't outline his flaws, they all have them .you just have to spot them
But you won't spot them watching only city meets , this is the worst thing you could do to get an appropriate or all round summary of any sire !
There's a 90% or more chance your litter won't mimick or reach the level you are watching , and when all is said and done you could probably go and chat to a group of 5 seperate people that raced at the same level (tab c or b ) and you'll all have the same conundrum or tell tale to talk about .
This procedure,watching all tracks , will further assist your brood in getting a better suited mate enhancing your brood or nullify her negatives.
If everyone watched wenty sandown and meadows only , your in for a rude shock thinking fernando Barcia and my bro will deliver the goods



Mark Mihailovic
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27 Aug 2018 08:22


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Nathan Bendeich wrote:

Mark Mihailovic wrote:

You only have to look at Fabios pups wins thurs, Friday and Saturday nite in the CITY to find out the best sire producing chase with high class speed

Or you could sit down for a couple of weeks and watch all fields at all tracks so you can see the pattern that emerges with his offspring across the board
They don't jump higher then 4th as well as other sires patterns also !
Don't twist my statement into something it's not ,to suit your in favour liking .
I am unbiased with all sires ! I just say it how it is .
He is a great sire and an industry essential . Doesn't mean you can't outline his flaws, they all have them .you just have to spot them
But you won't spot them watching only city meets , this is the worst thing you could do to get an appropriate or all round summary of any sire !
There's a 90% your litter won't mimick or reach the level you are watching , and when all is said and done you could probably go and chat to a group of 5 seperate people that raced at the same level (tab c or b ) and you'll all have the same conundrum or tell tale to talk about .
This procedure,watching all tracks , will further assist your brood in getting a better suited mate enhancing your brood or nullify her negatives.
If everyone watched wenty sandown and meadows only , your in for a rude shock thinking fernando Barcia and my bro will deliver the goods


%100 they have there flaws Nathan agree
All I know is more often than not he throws chase and consistently throwing city winners so thats all I care about
I watch a lot of racing and in a short time he has produced a group1 placed dog, derby winners oaks winners listed winners and stacks of city winners so thats what I look for in a sire. I prefer a sire that can throw th freak city ability!


Matt Griffiths
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27 Aug 2018 08:33


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Matt

She has no tickets but goes missing occasionally when crowded up.

So do 90% of other dogs. As long as she isn't fighting every start or leading and pulling up there really isn't a massive issue.

Every dog puts in the odd bad run no matter how good they are. Even Fernando Bale had a few races where he didn't lead so you had to put a line through him.

I wouldn't have any hesitation breeding her as long as she goes to a genuine chasing sire.



Ben Weidenbach
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27 Aug 2018 08:37


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Oaks Road I thought was known to throw 'chase' and my litter by him are little beasts, love chase and grab at such a young age.


Joshua Maywald
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Fabregas, Magic Sprite, Barcia Bale, a rarely used one in Premier Boloney and I reckon Dundee Osprey will in the future. Lukewarm to sons of Collision as Ive had involvement in 3 separate sons of, to 3 separate broodies with poor results.


Matt Griffiths
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29 Aug 2018 04:21


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Yes. Premier Boloney throws enormous chase. Another one that's underrated is Kilty Lad.

Not so coincidently both dogs were trained by the Bravos who are big names as such, but way too nice to ever think of cheating.


Matt Griffiths
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29 Aug 2018 04:24


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On that theory Unlawful Entry might go ok for throwing chase


Michael Barry
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29 Aug 2018 04:38


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Matt James wrote:

On that theory Unlawful Entry might go ok for throwing chase

we reared and raced his mother , an excellent racer and chaser
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Hayden Gilders
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Matt James wrote:

Yes. Premier Boloney throws enormous chase. ??


Perhaps the thread should be directed to the brood bitches as one of his litters - 3 to race with 5 indiscretions between them and one that could really fly didn't make the track because of complete lack of chase

greyhound data stats aren't real flash either

just stating the facts


Nathan Casey
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Cosmic Chief


Matt Griffiths
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Joshua Maywald wrote:

. Lukewarm to sons of Collision as Ive had involvement in 3 separate sons of, to 3 separate broodies with poor results.

Goodesy, shakey jakey, nolan, dyna tron and smooth/swift fancy are exceptions to the collisions chase theory. But hostile, high earner, awesome project etc. all have good reputations for throwing chase



Trent Wrigley
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I dont know about Nolan but to put Dyna tron with those other sires surprises me yes he doesnt throw many dogs that go a long trip but ones i have seen definitely have a go.


Michael Barry
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we have used a few sires over the years , for us its
Vee Man Vane by a country mile , easy to break in and love to go racing , its a pity he did tend to throw a lot of short course dogs , but we got plenty of 500 dogs aswell , and had a studmaster that was a treat to deal with ,,


Paul Dicks
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Which sire currently fits the bill as a producer of hard chasing progeny?



Jack Ogilvie
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Fabregas ,chase and early.



Vincent J Lund
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Paul Dicks wrote:

Which sire currently fits the bill as a producer of hard chasing progeny?

Kc And All would be a good candidate if you can get hold of him followed swiftly by his son Pat C Sabbath .I have reared pups by both and they are naturals .

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