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Paul Ballantine Australia (Verified User) Posts 284 Dogs 10 / Races 8 25 Sep 2023 03:18
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I agree with it should be breaking 30 at wenty Nathan but I dont think they are identical tracks? I was only putting the 2950 as a guide as one I had ran 2950 when record was around 2929 and that dog one in 3030 after a few goes and best was 30 flat at wenty
I agree with it should be breaking 30 at wenty Nathan but I dont think they are identical tracks? I was only putting the 2950 as a guide as one I had ran 2950 when record was around 2929 and that dog one in 3030 after a few goes and best was 30 flat at wenty
Paul agree ,
Different cambers totally, more the same routine ,scenery or pattern of running is what I was referring to is all , and no one takes a 29.60 dog to unseen wenty track let alone a 29.20 potential star ? So the whole looked lost at sea excuse is another fairytale with someones perception up shyt creek ? And only choosing what they want to see .
I wont talk should have run times or personal details etc . I never began the thread like that , so I wont start now .
It was purely an observation of strides and actions that were no where near chasing 100% as pre race
Thats it , and if someone wants to tell me otherwise on that run from the straight thru to catching pen was as good as it gets ? Then spec savers is due .
Cheers bud
Ps. On a positive note for you Darren , I might have got the speed cross wrong with surf lorian over HOS damline https:/ CLICK HERE
and it wont be long before we see if it runs distance so it can lead and go !
But then I will be right in saying that a stayer can only run a speed time once and never repeat it again ! Early tell tale to try extra distance no matter the age of the dog .
This result would throw my saturation level beliefs into chaos and would have to revisit the equation ???
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 21 Oct 2023 13:29
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Darren Leeson wrote:
Anyone know if Margarita has trialed at Wenty? She looked all at sea!
Missed the started, posted off the track at the first bend. Expected to be a season competitor at a handful of starts.
Total nark post Nathan!
A month between runs ? Chances are Darren , or are u saying it probably stayed at home for 4 weeks ? Lol ,are you seriously that naive or just putting up a poor demonstration of being dumb !
Why was it posted wide Darren ? Are u watching the first 150 mtr when it wouldnt go past a dog with its head up in the air untouched ?
Again , just because you choose a certain way with your own personal selections dont have blinkers on and only see what you want to whilst steering others with less experience down the bullshit road !
Rather be portrayed as a nark instead of a gobbledygook spinner
Ps. You have a bad trait of reporting whilst everything is rosey but when it turns negative your not at home or its swept under the rug like it never happened ?
If you report one side Darren , its only helpful or truth when you cover the other also !
Selective reports are horse shyt which will always be picked up on by myself .
Totally correct summation Darren back then and now confirmed next start once again ! Or maybe its another track she hasnt seen again in the last month of no racing .
You clearly have an untrained eye and questionable line breeding theorys ?
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 21 Oct 2023 17:25
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Two completely different runs. She was posted right off the track at Wenty. That run shes in scrimmage. Both times after missing the start.
Looking at her latest run. She might find herself over the 600 before too long? Possibly over the 700 after that. Which is my whole point of the topic. Shes already shown she has the freakish motor. Like all her Bekim predecessors did over the 520m, before being stepped up to the staying ranks.
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 21 Oct 2023 20:52
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Two completely different runs. She was posted right off the track at Wenty. That run shes in scrimmage. Both times after missing the start.
Looking at her latest run. She might find herself over the 600 before too long? Possibly over the 700 after that. Which is my whole point of the topic. Shes already shown she has the freakish motor. Like all her Bekim predecessors did over the 520m, before being stepped up to the staying ranks.
Leave your assessment on a run where it belongs , its delusional to the point where your interest over running distance doesnt even matter ! She could run 2000 mtr doing what she does ! NOT CHASING
Which was my first point on this thread having the highly rediculous title elite . Theres nothing elite about it with one of the few dogs you couldnt wait to throw up in lights delivering and confirming yet again the dreaded traits that everyone already knows about Bekim bale !
Heres a tip for the offspring , stick to marathon running in the day time ! Theyre scared of their own shadows under lights let alone another 7 runners !
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 21 Oct 2023 21:19
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Wentworth Park 720m track record - Bekim Bale influence Albion Park 710m track record - Bekim Bale influence Sandown 715m track record - Bekim Bale influence Meadows 725m track record - Bekim Bale influence Cannington 715m track record - Bekim Bale influence
Gosford 603m track record - Bekim Bale influence
Sandown 515m track record - Bekim Bale influence Meadows 525m track record - Bekim Bale influence
The problem with blokes like you. Youre so bitter and scorned by your breeding results in the first generation. You cant get over it. To be able or willing to understand benefits can be gained once a pedigree is embedded with that very same gene.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 21 Oct 2023 23:55
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Stewards report said Need A Margarita had a injury post race. But no arguing it was a below par run that I'm sure connections don't need telling it wasn't what was expected of her. They'd be more disappointed than anyone
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 22 Oct 2023 01:47
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Jen's Joy wins the Ipswich Futurity
Aussie Infrared x My Bro Fabio x Bekim Bale x Collision x Token Prince
Finished off the 520m pretty well
Interesting stuff
https:/ CLICK HERE Bekim Bale x Ebby Miss produced some very handy individuals including the unlucky Lord Golec who in his career looked like he was going to exceed his mother's career, but for serious injury early on, according to Michael, who had very high hopes for him
https:/ CLICK HERE Reichenbach was a very good city performer for Michael and Rob Britton
Scmickeydoo went to SH Avatar and produced predominantly sprinters, where you would think you might have got out and out stsayers
Debby probably had the most undesirable traits of the litter
Breeding works in mysterious ways
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 22 Oct 2023 04:55
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This Litter had some seriously fast Hounds in it !
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 25 Oct 2023 10:44
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Same Hooked On Scotch / Bekim Bale cross as Need A Margarita - sees Fire Lighter win well at Gosford over the shorts in slashing time. But, even more impressive was sister Tootsie Tears showing explosive acceleration to win over the 515m in a low flying 29.23.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 05 Nov 2023 07:16
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That Hooked On Scotch / Bekim Bale last week at Wenty went wooshka
Battle Tears WPk 29.58
Tootsie Tears WPk 29.78
Bekim well and truly embedded playing his elite part!
Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 714 Dogs 11 / Races 25 07 Nov 2023 07:22
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Darren,
I still don't get it.
The subject of this/your topic is about about, allegedly, Bekim Bale's "elite staying influence" but you're now referencing fast 400-500 metre dogs in your "click here" thingamebob.
Not trying to be difficult, but WTF?
There's not one dog in that litter that'll get 700.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 07 Nov 2023 07:36
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Michael theres now a secondary discussion going on about how cattish Bekim Bale is and especially when mixed with HOS. My last post was showing the worth of the cross and Bekim Bale embedded in the pedigree.
My main point still stands. Bekim Bale IMO can produce an elite staying influence. As evidenced by 1/2 relation Like Wildfire
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
