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Do you have questions about breeding theories?
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Howard Moshinsky
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10 Jun 2023 11:35


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fernandos sire kelsos fusuleer was quite respected in usa



Darren Leeson
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10 Jun 2023 12:08


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They couldnt give KF semen away here in Oz - the ads they ran here trying to get breeders to breed to KF, by throwing in the other Kelsos for free. Shows the calibre of breeder Paul Wheeler was. He knew exactly what he was doing putting Chloe Allen to KF! Despite the lack of interest, by the general breeder population.


William Porterfield
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i am of the opinoin paw used kelso as a carrier,if you notice he carries monalee champion and nualas crazy arelitter mates out of shiela at last from last landing,silver ball is also from the last landing line his sire and his damsire,there a few more comectionsbut when you look at the american influece monalee champion had plus his ability to cross with tell you why, FB is saturated with that line and most irish crosses paw used have sandman it is or was a inspired choice to use a unratersire like kelso but the breeding was certainly behind him


Michael Worth
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10 Jun 2023 19:31


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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

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Thanks Ryan, whats your thoughts. Not trying to hijack the thread just thought it relates to the topic. Cheers


Nicholas Arena
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10 Jun 2023 22:54


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There are three reasons Paul used KF. He was a big believer the Gable Dodge line was the best source of USA speed that complimented the Australian breed. KF Irish dam line was not that of short coursing dogs - it had 700m strength. Lastly KF himself was a very good dog and raced on the better tracks winning in fast times. It no more complicated than that.
How do I know? I sat with him in his Yass home researching the dog before he bought the vials.



Darren Leeson
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Theyll be the solid foundations behind the sire selection. Good to hear he was acknowledging all countries attributes!

But, he would have acutely looked at the pedigree suitability as well. Its clear as day, he did!



Ryan Vanderwert
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michael worth wrote:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

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Thanks Ryan, whats your thoughts. Not trying to hijack the thread just thought it relates to the topic. Cheers

No worries Michael.

I had a look at it but only briefly when I posted the mating, and even flipped it upside down (Shaka's brother over Rioga's sister)....nothing obvious stood out to me but I'm pretty set in my ways these days, with a couple of recent successes for people with proven theories that still seem to be working.

So if she were my bitch I wld just linebreed her thru different individuals to the sire of a dog that was highly successful with her damline previously.

If you've gotta theory you can logically validate, then you've gotta try these things tho. So g/l with them. Cheers.
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Half ya luck Nicholas, well done.


Paul Dicks
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Nicholas Arena wrote:

There are three reasons Paul used KF. He was a big believer the Gable Dodge line was the best source of USA speed that complimented the Australian breed. KF Irish dam line was not that of short coursing dogs - it had 700m strength. Lastly KF himself was a very good dog and raced on the better tracks winning in fast times. It no more complicated than that.
How do I know? I sat with him in his Yass home researching the dog before he bought the vials.

Sometimes it's as simple as that, fantastic inside information Nicholas. I always thought Wheeler's sire selection wasn't all this XY rubbish or other ridiculous breeding theories. A classic example of being wise after the event, like most of these self proclaimed experts are. It was as simple and as common sense as you stated.



Matt Griffiths
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11 Jun 2023 23:43


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If the Fernando Bale litter didn't work people's opinions of Kelso fusileer in Australia would still be non existent

If it wasn't for Striker Light there's no way Aston Rupee/Fastnet or kimetto would be by KC And All

It takes bravery to use a unproven outcross sire, but once that unproven outcross sire hits that sire becomes super popular very quickly. Hopefully for people that have used him sake Droopys Sydney is the same


Paul Dicks
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Matt Griffiths wrote:

But once that unproven outcross sire hits that sire becomes super popular very quickly.

See, you aren't as dumb as you claim to be. It's best if they prove themselves locally first. That's the crux of 2 or 3 rambling threads on here.


Matt Griffiths
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Yet for some reason SH Avatar isn't held in as high esteem as Kinloch Brae, KC And All or Bella Infrared. Personally I'd take a sh avatar straw over a lot of other (Aussie, Irish, USA based) sires

Things would get boring if there wasn't a majority of rambling threads on here



Nathan Bendeich
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Matt Griffiths wrote:

Yet for some reason SH Avatar isn't held in as high esteem as Kinloch Brae, KC And All or Bella Infrared. Personally I'd take a sh avatar straw over a lot of other (Aussie, Irish, USA based) sires

Things would get boring if there wasn't a majority of rambling threads on here

The reason SH Avatar is behind Bella ,Kc and Kinloch is simply put , they have a mind of their own !
One week they can be stars on the clock , the next 8 weeks they are staring at butterflies or hiding behind trees ?

They would be the most unique breed Ive come across . Yes when they are good they are good ! But reared enough to know their flaws outweigh the needed work input , for me that is !

Ps. The odds would be more in your favour using Magic spite , orson allen , beast unleashed , Aussie infrared, fabregas , Oaks road etc !




Matt Griffiths
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13 Jun 2023 06:13


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Nathan Bendeich wrote:

Ps. The odds would be more in your favour using Magic spite , orson allen , beast unleashed , Aussie infrared, fabregas , Oaks road etc !

You're right. Unless you have a broodie from a Barcia bale son (eliminates Orson Allen, beast unleashed) that's from magic sprite damline (eliminates magic sprite and Oaks road) that carries a lot of bombastic Shiraz (eliminates Fabregas) and head honcho (eliminates Aussie Infrared), so she's absolutely screaming out for a outcross to hopefully reduce injuries


Michael Worth
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Hey Nathan , Dixie , Matt and Nicholas , whats your thoughts on my mating. Not trying to hijack the thread but it is becoming a little boring. Cheers


Matt Griffiths
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michael worth wrote:

Hey Nathan , Dixie , Matt and Nicholas , whats your thoughts on my mating. Not trying to hijack the thread but it is becoming a little boring. Cheers

Not that my opinion counts for a huge amount, but I'd personally be playing it a little bit more safe
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But no guts, no glory is another way of looking at your testmating. If it works out a masterstroke you've at worst got a nice broodie to work with


Paul Dicks
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michael worth wrote:

Hey Nathan , Dixie , Matt and Nicholas , whats your thoughts on my mating. Not trying to hijack the thread but it is becoming a little boring. Cheers

I'm not a fan of using squibby bitches, especially to unproven import sires. But there are far better experts than me on here that will give you a far more encyclopedic opinion. Good luck with her.




Nathan Bendeich
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Houdini boy bud , only heard reports about him so far as a stud , but his abilities are what your bitch needs .

Along with a lot of linebreeding in there , more of a left field option as I get the feeling she could be a one off litter brood pending results .

Id have a little fun with the choice all things considered ..

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Michael Worth
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Thanks guys for your input. I do like like the Fabregas mating Matt. I can see your point Dixie as most of the dam line although did perform were short courses. Hey Nathan I really like Houdini and feel he is well under used as a sire. Will definitely put more thought into the mating before going ahead . Cheers



Howard Moshinsky
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13 Jun 2023 21:52


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matt never forget the 180,000 dollars that the crown prince in DUBAI shelled out fo KELSOS GUARDIAN END RESULT PETER LAGOPIANE had him there turned out sterile and limp


Matt Griffiths
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I've never particularly heard of Kelsos Guardian to be completely honest

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